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Piracy Vs Legal Downloads

Piracy winning.

A huge 95% of all music downloaded online is illegal, according to a new report.

The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry also revealed that worldwide music markets shrank by 7% last year, according to the BBC.

The only upside for the music industry is the fact that sales of legal downloads have grown by 25% in the last year.

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  • Tom_B @ 16 Jan 2009 16:40

    It always pisses me off when i see dj's with cd wallets or laptops full of stolen music ..... they love themselves djing more than they love the music itself .... so there lol

  • Matthew @ 16 Jan 2009 17:02

    How can you tell by looking at a CD whether its stolen or not though? Or even a laptop!

  • stefano1981 @ 18 Jan 2009 21:06

    I'd like to see where this figure has come from, the IFPI has an interest in inflating these figures just like the equivalent authority for software piracy does: the way those lads work out their figures is bollocks so it wouldn't surprise me if the methodology employed here is suspect too.

  • Matthew @ 19 Jan 2009 0:33

    It would hardly be surprising if true though would it?

  • shinya @ 19 Jan 2009 0:43

    Its hard to draw the line for these things, particualrly in dance music. Dance music is alwasy hugely anti-copyright, anti corporate feckers.

    Even with good old vinyl buying culture, white labels, acetate disc copy of hard to find records, sampling without permission, re-edit are big part of the culture. Brought copyright idea by Gilbert O'Sullivan (that Irish lad!) nealy klilled inovative sampling music records once, and now you need huge money and lawyers to make records with sampling.

    And how about put your DJ mix online?? No amature/semi-pro DJS have paid the royalty. So the kids can listen to all latest dance hit tunes without paying at all if they dig a bit. But we dont consider those DJs (or, us) are violating songwriters/producers right, do we?

    No need to say those lads who dowloading hit/big tunes everyday cos just dont wanna pay a penny is nothing to do with this issue, but again, its hard to draw the line, and those people in big company with copyright will not distinct them, treat it as same issue.

    One thing for sure is this info/file sharing, Youtube times, we need new rules for indie music/culture copyright issue, but not along the idea of old corporate culture and companies who just wanna cut huge pie of the busineess being middle man.

  • Eg in a cup! @ 19 Jan 2009 12:04

    The thing is that its not just DJ's that download music illegally. In fact I would dare say the percentage of DJ's in this number is relatively small! Piracy is massive and I would think its an unstoppable force.
    The corporates are going to have to face up to this fact and provide music to the consumer in a way that will reduce this kind activity by making the music more accessible and at better price points if not for free! The revenue they make from music sales is crap compared to the other ways they make money from the musician anyway!

  • ivanvarian @ 19 Jan 2009 12:19

    evolve or die

  • Tayor @ 19 Jan 2009 12:20

    i'd agree with you there shinya , new laws and new ways of thinking are needed and quickly . personally i buy i'd wager 90% of the music i play, and get 10% from mates , blogs, etc. Thats not out of any real sense of honesty its mainly that in 3-4 digital shops ill find most of the music i want , and it tends to be harder to find things in a bootleggy way . maybe i aint looking in right places and mac's dont like soulseek ! in a way this is the way all music purchasing has been done. Most people bought music coz of each of access and choice , bootlegging was mainly done by the 'heads' and you had to know where to go to get what you wanted.

    the main problem is now , the new generation of web users - en masse - know where to look. Not only that but bootlegging is so much easier than tapes or cd was. The future for me is music is gonna be free. We dont pay for TV , for radio , for youtube, why will people pay for music in the new digital age ? Because it was the way of the past ? Do kids care about music purchasing history ? do house djs care about live drummers protesting about drum machines hurting their profession ? or when vinyl came out , alot of live musicians went apeshit - said it would ruing their livelihood ? did it ? did it fuck , it made more people listen to more music and go to see the bands they were listening too

    Personally speaking i see that same thing happening again. Once again the music process is changing |& evolving . Coupled with the arrival of the digital age, you could say we're in a revolutinary period even. Lets say the music becomes free - which i believe it will - the question is what happens to the artists ? to the labels ? the ones who comes up with new ways of working this new frontier will win. for the label , managing an artist , licensing, publishing, and other new ideas are needed .For the artist things like more gigs, merchandise , sponsorship, licensing, soundtracks, dealing direct , are all increasing . think Theo Parrish's deal with Adidas, Groove Armada's with Barcardi, or James Murhpy with Nike. Would these have happened 5-10 years ago ? new oppurtunities are out there....

    I think this is a exciting time, its a time for new ideas and new ways forward. The winners will embrace change and adapt and thrive in it , while the losers will moan and whinge and talk about the old days . The music industry won't wait around for them though , you can be certain of that !

  • scutch @ 19 Jan 2009 13:03

    So does this mean that all releases on Stereotonic Records will be free Trev?

  • Tayor @ 19 Jan 2009 13:26

    they'll be made available for free on this site & Scribble too , yep . We'll also be making them available for sale digitally on all usual sites though too, mainly for distribution reasons though.

  • interstellar_fugitive @ 20 Jan 2009 10:12

    "The future for me is music is gonna be free. We dont pay for TV , for radio , for youtube, why will people pay for music in the new digital age ?"

    We pay Tv licences, most people pay for digital tv and all these, plus youtube earn huge amounts from advertising revenue. To say that music should be free - and thus musicians doing everything for free is akin to expecting directors, actors, producers etc working for free on tv and radio. never ever going to happen. Cinema, theatre, art (in print, paint etc) all generate earnings for those involved, so I don't see why music should be any different.

  • shinya @ 20 Jan 2009 13:24

    For Youtube, yes Youtube itself making money out of AD, but Youtube IS NOT the one making contents. You forgot that thousands of people spent so much of their own money and time and theri skill and technique to make unique video, without expecting any reward. Just want to be seen by many and show what he/she can do to the world, and bit of praise.

    Web space/blog hosting service making money, but you dont pay for reading someone's website/blog. And site owner/blog writer is not getting paid, actually he sometimes pay to web hosting service. He is not getting any money for making original contents, but losing. the time and knowledge he used writting his blog wont be rewarded. Still you wanna write blog and want to be read by many..

    So Youtube etc actualyl showing there is somethins new here, production/creation withtou expecting cash rewards.

  • scutch @ 20 Jan 2009 15:04

    I dont think anyone gets into music production these days with the intention of making money, much like the comparisson you made Shinya about You tube, most of the time people want to make music to get it out there to be appreciated by other like minded people although I would argue that in order for labels etc to attract the calibre of talent that they want to be associated with, and, it is their intention to give the music away that they would seriously need to be able to offer the artsists other incentive to sign with them in terms of promotion, gigs etc.

  • Tayor @ 20 Jan 2009 16:27

    ''

    We pay Tv licences, most people pay for digital tv and all these, plus youtube earn huge amounts from advertising revenue. To say that music should be free - and thus musicians doing everything for free is akin to expecting directors, actors, producers etc working for free on tv and radio. never ever going to happen. Cinema, theatre, art (in print, paint etc) all generate earnings for those involved, so I don't see why music should be any different ''

    your missing my point. Im not saying music 'should' be free. Im saying people wont pay for it . There's a difference. As a label owner this is a fuckin disaster , but c'est la vie we all need to get on with it, because i dont see it going any other way. I see the artist having a much bigger future than labels do . Artists wont be doing things for free, once they get to a certain level. If anything they'll be more in demand than ever before. They just need to view music as a promotional tool to create that demand . Loads of artists/creatives work this way. For example i was at a talk once whereby a video director made a video for the Streets for free. They was no budget for it . But the video led to him getting major work for Citreon doing TV
    commercials . Overall he reckoned he was in a better postion than he would have been if he'd not done the music video and went straight to the ad company as 'just another director'

  • interstellar_fugitive @ 20 Jan 2009 21:44

    yup i took you up wrong. it's true a lot of people starting off in the tv/film industry do things for free, but if it works - like it did for that director - the reward is massive.

    Shinya, for a lot of people what they put up on youtube - and similarly with blogs - is just a hobby, yes there are more avenues for what they do but it's not like people didn't have hobbies like that in the past, be it making little films or doing fanzines (the modern day equivalent being blogs). These people didn't expect cash rewards, so it's not really something new. More people may do it now just because it's easier, what with the availability of equipment etc.

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